that's going to be a challenge for paul ryan. i think that what we have experiencing right now and we just said it, is that this sort of style over substance is, is, i don't think going to overtake this race. i think you have a president who was trying to move the facts out. was facing a guy who, who he hadn't seen before. either mitt romney is completely faking everything he said, or he is, is a liar. so -- either way. >> when you see the style over substance, it shouldn't matter. the truth is optics are important. >> look, style -- >> ask richard nixon, the president in 1960. >> i do think in fairness, it is fair for the american people, to want to see their president fight for them. and the barack obama every day that they see on the campaign trail, the barack obama we saw in wisconsin the day after the debate is a president who is fighting for them. and this president has to do that in those moments when there are millions of people -- >> here was an example of the closing statement by the president. that people felt was so l